HMCo #1230s Thorn

Particulars

Construction_Record_Title.jpgName: Thorn
Type: Frostbite Dinghy
Designed by: ASdeWH or NGH?
Contract: 1933-2-10
Delivered: 1933-3-4 ?
Construction: Wood
LOA: 11' 4" (3.45m)
Rig: Cat
Centerboard: yes
Ballast: None
Built for: Williams, W. Frederick
Amount: $362.50
Note(s) in HMCo Construction Record: Frostbiter

Note: Particulars are primarily but not exclusively from the HMCo Construction Record. Supplementary information not from the Construction Record appears elsewhere in this record with a complete citation.


Model

Model #414Model number: 414
Model location: H.M.M. Model Room West Wall Left

Vessels from this model:
2 built, modeled by ASdeWH or NGH?, or ASdeWH
#1230s Thorn (1933)
#1231s Humdink (1933)

Original text on model:
"HUMDINK Sidney H. March 1933 arrow to waterline 565 arrow up to waterline 405 lbs" (Source: Original handwritten annotation on model. Undated.)

Model Description:
"11'6" loa Humdink, a frostbite sailing dinghy of 1933, designed by Sid Herreshoff." (Source: Bray, Maynard. 2004.)

Model Comment:
"Note that the index to the 2004 Guide to the Collection lists #1230s Thorn as having been built from model 414 but provides no further source of information for this attribution." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. 2008.)

Note: Vessels that appear in the records as not built, a cancelled contract, a study model, or as a model sailboat are listed but not counted in the list of vessels built from a model.


Drawings

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List of drawings:
   Drawings believed to have been first drawn for, or being first referenced to
   HMCo #1230s Thorn are listed in bold.
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  1. Dwg 080-132 (N/A): Spars for "Frost Bite' Dinghy (1933-02-27 ?)
Source: Francis Russell Hart Nautical Collections, MIT Museum, Cambridge, Mass. Haffenreffer-Herreshoff Collection. Together with: Hasselbalch, Kurt with Frances Overcash and Angela Reddin. Guide to The Haffenreffer-Herreshoff Collection. Francis Russell Hart Nautical Collections, MIT Museum, Cambridge, Mass., 1997. Together with: Numerous additions and corrections by Claas van der Linde.
Note: The Haffenreffer-Herreshoff Collection is copyrighted by the Francis Russell Hart Nautical Collections of the MIT Museum in Cambridge, Mass. Permission to incorporate information from it in the Herreshoff Catalogue Raisonné is gratefully acknowledged. The use of this information is permitted solely for research purposes. No part of it is to be published in any form whatsoever.

Documents

Archival Documents

"[Item Transcription:] [Newspaper clipping titled 'Yachting Gossip by Jeff Davis'. Relevant Herreshoff excerpt:] Nick Potter, who has been in the designing room at Herreshoff's for the last year, has left and tied up with Bill Strawbridge and the pair will open a yacht designing office at Bristol. Potter designed the North Harbor 31-foot wa-terline knockabouts [#1227s TSANA, #1229s LONE STAR, #1228s BETSY] built at Herreshoff's this winter, and Strawbridge was you might say, the founder of the class as he ordered the first boat.
Capt. John Christianson of VANITIE and Capt. Gus Gunderson of WEETAMOE [#1147s] are both at Bristol and their crews are expected to put in an appearance within a week or so to get the two big boats in commission. There is nothing to do to WEETAMOE except the ordinary work of painting and fitting out, but VANITIE, being about 18 years old, needs more attention. Several plates are to be stripped off VANITIE, cleaned and re-riveted.
Two more Frostbite class B dinghies are being built at Herreshoff's from designs by Nathaniel G. [#1230s THORN?] and Sidney [#1231s HUMDINK]. Both are experimental boats. " (Source: Providence Journal (creator). Newspaper Clipping. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MRDE14_00990. Folder [no #]. No date (1933-03 ?).)


"[Item Description:] Spreadsheet listing original contracts (from 1923 to 1940) by HMCo in the collection of HMM (apparently from the gift of Everett Pearson). Listed boats are: #380p, #381p, #388p, #389p, #391p, #392p, #393p, #395p, #886s, #933s, #934s, #954s, #955s, #962s, #983s, #999s, #1002s, #1017s, #1054s, #1055s, #1057s, #1074s, #1078s, #1122s, #1125s, #1130s, #1131s, #1147s, #1152s, #1153s, #1154s, #1156s, #1157s, #1164s, #1170s, #1173s, #1174s, #1175s, #1175s, #1176s, #1177s, #1179s, #1180s, #1191s, #1192s, #1193s, #1195s, #1196s, #1198s, #1199s, #1200s, #1201s, #1202s, #1203s, #1206s, #1207s, #1208s, #1209s, #1210s, #1211s, #1212s, #1213s, #1214s, #1215s, #1216s, #1217s, #1218s, #1219s, #1220s, #1222s, #1224s, #1236s, #1226s, #1227s, #1228s, #1230s, #1232s, #1234s, #1237s, #1238s, #1240s, #1241s, #1243s, #1244s, #1245s, #1246s, #1247s, #1248s, #1249s, #1250s, #1251s, #1252s, #1253s, #1254s, #1255s, #1256s, #1257s, #1258s, #1259s, #1260s, #1261s, #1262s, #1263s, #1264s, #1265s, #1274s, #1275s, #1277s, #1279s, #1280s, #1281s, #1282s, #1283s, #1284s, #1285s, #1286s, #1287s, #1302s, #1303s, #1315s, #1508s." (Source: Rickson, Norene (creator). Table. Herreshoff Marine Museum Collection Item LIB_4220. HMM Library Rare Books Room (HMCo Contracts), Folder [no #]. No date (2010s ?).)


Note: This list of archival documents contains in an unedited form any and all which mention #1230s Thorn even if just in a cursory way. Permission to digitize, transcribe and display is gratefully acknowledged.

Further Reading
  • Herreshoff Manufacturing Company. [Contract for #1230s Thorn, Frostbiter.] Herreshoff Marine Museum Collection. Bristol, RI, February 10, 1933. (765 kB)
    Document is copyrighted: Yes. Copyright holder: Herreshoff Marine Museum. Original building/sales contract. Vessel description, scantlings, payment terms, delivery date.

Supplement

From the 1920 and earlier HMCo Index Cards at the MIT Museum
  • Note: The vessel index cards comprise two sets of a total of some 3200 cards about vessels built by HMCo, with dimensions and information regarding drawings, later or former vessel names, and owners. They were compiled from HMCo's early days until 1920 and added to in later decades, apparently by Hart Nautical curator William A. Baker and his successors. While HMCo seems to have used only one set of index cards, all sorted by name and, where no name was available, by number, later users at MIT apparently divided them into two sets of cards, one sorted by vessel name, the other by vessel number and greatly expanded the number of cards. Original HMCo cards are usually lined and almost always punched with a hole at bottom center while later cards usually have no hole, are unlined, and often carry substantially less information. All cards are held by the Francis Russell Hart Nautical Collections of the MIT Museum in Cambridge, Mass.
Research Note(s)

"Date of delivery 'on or about March 4, 1933' from original contract in collection of Herreshoff Marine Museum." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. January 15, 2015.)

"Built in 22 days (contract to delivered; equivalent to $16/day)." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. January 16, 2024.)

Note: Research notes contain information about a vessel that is often random and unedited but has been deemed useful for future research.

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